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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-2408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 05:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; reminded me of &lt;em&gt;Dances with Wolves&lt;/em&gt; as stated above and also at times of &lt;em&gt;FernGully: The Last Rainforest&lt;/em&gt;. I enjoyed the film but when the DVD was shut off, the movie was over. I didn&#039;t think about it any further. 

Thanks for posting your article “&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2003/07/25/the-master-of-consensual-manipulation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Master of Consensual Manipulation&lt;/a&gt;.” I respect what Spielberg does and also what Cameron provides his audience but want something more when I personally &quot;go to the movies.&quot; &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; did make a strong modern-day statement about the US Military and how those with one-dimensional business interests proceed forward at the expense of great civilizations and intellectual research. That and the entertainment value are worth something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Avatar</em> reminded me of <em>Dances with Wolves</em> as stated above and also at times of <em>FernGully: The Last Rainforest</em>. I enjoyed the film but when the DVD was shut off, the movie was over. I didn&#8217;t think about it any further. </p>
<p>Thanks for posting your article “<a href="http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2003/07/25/the-master-of-consensual-manipulation/" rel="nofollow">The Master of Consensual Manipulation</a>.” I respect what Spielberg does and also what Cameron provides his audience but want something more when I personally &#8220;go to the movies.&#8221; <em>Avatar</em> did make a strong modern-day statement about the US Military and how those with one-dimensional business interests proceed forward at the expense of great civilizations and intellectual research. That and the entertainment value are worth something.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it curious that you can describe the most defining aspects of &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; as &quot;wondrous and magical&quot; and yet still regard the film as a whole as terrible. Film is a visual art form - surely its visual triumphs carry a bit of weight?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it curious that you can describe the most defining aspects of <em>Avatar</em> as &#8220;wondrous and magical&#8221; and yet still regard the film as a whole as terrible. Film is a visual art form &#8211; surely its visual triumphs carry a bit of weight?</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jules]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i thought this movie was terrible.  Yes, the special effects were wondrous and magical, but the story was thinner than a threadbare carpet in the cheapest room of a flophouse hotel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought this movie was terrible.  Yes, the special effects were wondrous and magical, but the story was thinner than a threadbare carpet in the cheapest room of a flophouse hotel.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget, &quot;shock and awe&quot; is a military concept, and it was a military person using the term.  Seems quite natural to me.  What would have seemed more natural?  &quot;Oh no, they&#039;re using a strategy of rapid dominance!&quot;  A little too highbrow for that character, methinks.

You&#039;ve probably just heard the term so much in movies nowadays that it seems cheesy now.  That doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not still a valid (and used) term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, &#8220;shock and awe&#8221; is a military concept, and it was a military person using the term.  Seems quite natural to me.  What would have seemed more natural?  &#8220;Oh no, they&#8217;re using a strategy of rapid dominance!&#8221;  A little too highbrow for that character, methinks.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve probably just heard the term so much in movies nowadays that it seems cheesy now.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not still a valid (and used) term.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Each film has a target audience.  Some films have a large audience, some niche.  &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; is a blockbuster, with a big budget and it aims to have as wide an appeal as possible.  That means it&#039;s not going to appeal to some.  That&#039;s fine - it&#039;s just not your thing, then.  You can&#039;t expect Cameron to spend big bucks and then make a film that only cinephiles are going to see.  

I think it&#039;s a bit disingenuous to demean Cameron and to assume the worst in relation to his motivations.  He&#039;s a film director, an artist of sorts and he aims to make films that entertain people.  He also has a history of innovation (&lt;em&gt;Terminator 2&lt;/em&gt; remains one of my favourite science fiction films), and &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; is notable for its pushing the boundaries of technology.  

Sure, the &quot;shock and awe&quot; comments are pretty dumb and much of the dialogue is kitsch.  But no more so than &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each film has a target audience.  Some films have a large audience, some niche.  <em>Avatar</em> is a blockbuster, with a big budget and it aims to have as wide an appeal as possible.  That means it&#8217;s not going to appeal to some.  That&#8217;s fine &#8211; it&#8217;s just not your thing, then.  You can&#8217;t expect Cameron to spend big bucks and then make a film that only cinephiles are going to see.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a bit disingenuous to demean Cameron and to assume the worst in relation to his motivations.  He&#8217;s a film director, an artist of sorts and he aims to make films that entertain people.  He also has a history of innovation (<em>Terminator 2</em> remains one of my favourite science fiction films), and <em>Avatar</em> is notable for its pushing the boundaries of technology.  </p>
<p>Sure, the &#8220;shock and awe&#8221; comments are pretty dumb and much of the dialogue is kitsch.  But no more so than <em>Star Wars</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for clarifying your position Len. I suppose all you can do now is move on or maybe one day give the film another go. I know when I really dislike a film that so many others have enjoyed and appreciated then I try to make a point of re-visiting it again, just in case I did miss something. I usually end up sticking to my guns but every now and then I do have a change of heart. But for now I can&#039;t see either of us changing our position!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying your position Len. I suppose all you can do now is move on or maybe one day give the film another go. I know when I really dislike a film that so many others have enjoyed and appreciated then I try to make a point of re-visiting it again, just in case I did miss something. I usually end up sticking to my guns but every now and then I do have a change of heart. But for now I can&#8217;t see either of us changing our position!</p>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Len]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; had a bit of a &#039;naff&#039; factor, true, but at least there was some more character development and time spent with them (Luke, Han, Vader, ObiOne), I fail to see any of that in &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt;. The effects were great, the characters (and their dialogue) seemed to have been written by an 8 year old for 8 year olds, just my opinion, not insulting anyone etc etc etc. just telling you what I thought of the movie. I mean, when the marine thug says &#039;Shock and Awe&#039; I just had to chuckle. At least &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; had charm and humour in a good mix, &lt;em&gt;Avatar &lt;/em&gt;had zero. Still J.Cameron is zillions richer as we speak :) good for him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, <em>Star Wars</em> had a bit of a &#8216;naff&#8217; factor, true, but at least there was some more character development and time spent with them (Luke, Han, Vader, ObiOne), I fail to see any of that in <em>Avatar</em>. The effects were great, the characters (and their dialogue) seemed to have been written by an 8 year old for 8 year olds, just my opinion, not insulting anyone etc etc etc. just telling you what I thought of the movie. I mean, when the marine thug says &#8216;Shock and Awe&#8217; I just had to chuckle. At least <em>Star Wars</em> had charm and humour in a good mix, <em>Avatar </em>had zero. Still J.Cameron is zillions richer as we speak :) good for him</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not taking criticism of the film personally and I don&#039;t think I come across as doing so. However, even though I have been guilty of this in the past, I  just don&#039;t like it when the audience&#039;s intelligence is questioned simply because they enjoyed a particular film that somebody else has not. That attitude has started to seep into this discussion in a way that I feel has not been constructive. 

In response to the points you raise in your last post, I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head about why there is such a backlash against &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; and that has a lot to do with various thoughts about why James Cameron made the film. I honestly don&#039;t have any opinion of whether it is a personal and artistic expression for Cameron or whether it was just a coldly calculated exercise in making a film that would generate big bucks at the box office. For me the only thing that counts is the film itself and in this case I kind of liked it. 

Many years ago I wrote a piece titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2003/07/25/the-master-of-consensual-manipulation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Master of Consensual Manipulation&quot;&lt;/a&gt; about Steven Spielberg. I argued that what made so many of Spielberg&#039;s films great is that although his films are manipulative, he engages with the audience to the point where they consent to his manipulation. I feel a similar way about Cameron with &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not taking criticism of the film personally and I don&#8217;t think I come across as doing so. However, even though I have been guilty of this in the past, I  just don&#8217;t like it when the audience&#8217;s intelligence is questioned simply because they enjoyed a particular film that somebody else has not. That attitude has started to seep into this discussion in a way that I feel has not been constructive. </p>
<p>In response to the points you raise in your last post, I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head about why there is such a backlash against <em>Avatar</em> and that has a lot to do with various thoughts about why James Cameron made the film. I honestly don&#8217;t have any opinion of whether it is a personal and artistic expression for Cameron or whether it was just a coldly calculated exercise in making a film that would generate big bucks at the box office. For me the only thing that counts is the film itself and in this case I kind of liked it. </p>
<p>Many years ago I wrote a piece titled <a href="http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2003/07/25/the-master-of-consensual-manipulation/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Master of Consensual Manipulation&#8221;</a> about Steven Spielberg. I argued that what made so many of Spielberg&#8217;s films great is that although his films are manipulative, he engages with the audience to the point where they consent to his manipulation. I feel a similar way about Cameron with <em>Avatar</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Benicio</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benicio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasnt aware anyone was throwing around insults?

To summarise that link (and it is a comedy review as I stated above) he simply points out the mechanisms and manipulations used by James Cameron in both &lt;em&gt;Titanic&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; to appeal to the masses. It&#039;s those deliberately manufactured things that really get under my skin with these movies - The same goes for the last few &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; films actually.

The original &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; was made by a relatively new film maker at the time and it wasnt made with the agenda of being a blockbuster. Those differences are the very reason why &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; is held in such high esteem... And the overwhelming nostalgia factor of course.

Sorry to see you taking criticisms of this movie so personally. 

I&#039;ll sign off here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasnt aware anyone was throwing around insults?</p>
<p>To summarise that link (and it is a comedy review as I stated above) he simply points out the mechanisms and manipulations used by James Cameron in both <em>Titanic</em> and <em>Avatar</em> to appeal to the masses. It&#8217;s those deliberately manufactured things that really get under my skin with these movies &#8211; The same goes for the last few <em>Star Wars</em> films actually.</p>
<p>The original <em>Star Wars</em> was made by a relatively new film maker at the time and it wasnt made with the agenda of being a blockbuster. Those differences are the very reason why <em>Star Wars</em> is held in such high esteem&#8230; And the overwhelming nostalgia factor of course.</p>
<p>Sorry to see you taking criticisms of this movie so personally. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll sign off here.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I suspect we are more forgiving of the simplicity and naff factor in Star Wars because a lot of us saw it as kids, when we were less critical, and it holds a strong nostalgia factor.&lt;/i&gt;

Thomas, you&#039;ve exactly articulated what I was thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect we are more forgiving of the simplicity and naff factor in Star Wars because a lot of us saw it as kids, when we were less critical, and it holds a strong nostalgia factor.</i></p>
<p>Thomas, you&#8217;ve exactly articulated what I was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Caldwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only got as far as the first minute and a bit of that video Benicio. I can&#039;t take anybody seriously when they accuse &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; for being &quot;anti technology, anti military and anti corporate&quot;. The film depicts the mass murder of an Indigenous population for material wealth as a bad thing. Have we really got to the point where a film representing genocide as a negative is accused of being leftist/liberal/condescending/etc? 

Getting back to the &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt;/&lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; comparison: I really struggle to understand how anybody can embrace one but not the other. Both are based on (and I know I&#039;m repeating myself) popular culture archetypes and basic morality adventure tales that are derived more from Hollywood Westerns than any serious science fiction texts. Now I love &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; but the dialogue is naff and the characters are simple, and that&#039;s part of its charm (for those who can embrace such things). After all, George Lucas developed &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; as a sort of homage to the B-grade serials that he used to watch as a kid.

I suspect we are more forgiving of the simplicity and naff factor in &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; because a lot of us saw it as kids, when we were less critical, and it holds a strong nostalgia factor. 

Anyway, since we are resorting to insulting the intelligence of people who liked &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; and posting links to other sources, have a look at the article &lt;a href=&quot;http://henryjenkins.org/2010/02/five_ways_to_read_avatar.html&quot; target=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Five Ways to Read Avatar&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by author Henry Jenkins. His arguments are far stronger and more informed than any of the counter arguments that I&#039;ve come across. Then again, maybe it&#039;s just a matter of taste and we&#039;d all be a lot better off channelling our energies into celebrating films we like rather than endlessly ridiculing ones we don&#039;t like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only got as far as the first minute and a bit of that video Benicio. I can&#8217;t take anybody seriously when they accuse <em>Avatar</em> for being &#8220;anti technology, anti military and anti corporate&#8221;. The film depicts the mass murder of an Indigenous population for material wealth as a bad thing. Have we really got to the point where a film representing genocide as a negative is accused of being leftist/liberal/condescending/etc? </p>
<p>Getting back to the <em>Star Wars</em>/<em>Avatar</em> comparison: I really struggle to understand how anybody can embrace one but not the other. Both are based on (and I know I&#8217;m repeating myself) popular culture archetypes and basic morality adventure tales that are derived more from Hollywood Westerns than any serious science fiction texts. Now I love <em>Star Wars</em> but the dialogue is naff and the characters are simple, and that&#8217;s part of its charm (for those who can embrace such things). After all, George Lucas developed <em>Star Wars</em> as a sort of homage to the B-grade serials that he used to watch as a kid.</p>
<p>I suspect we are more forgiving of the simplicity and naff factor in <em>Star Wars</em> because a lot of us saw it as kids, when we were less critical, and it holds a strong nostalgia factor. </p>
<p>Anyway, since we are resorting to insulting the intelligence of people who liked <em>Avatar</em> and posting links to other sources, have a look at the article <a href="http://henryjenkins.org/2010/02/five_ways_to_read_avatar.html" target="blank" rel="nofollow"> &#8220;Five Ways to Read Avatar&#8221;</a> by author Henry Jenkins. His arguments are far stronger and more informed than any of the counter arguments that I&#8217;ve come across. Then again, maybe it&#8217;s just a matter of taste and we&#8217;d all be a lot better off channelling our energies into celebrating films we like rather than endlessly ridiculing ones we don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Len]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Benicio, that review was pretty hilarious. It&#039;s amazing how condescending film makers can be...then again, if people lap it up, they&#039;ll keep serving it up! Hey, I went along, so I can&#039;t really talk, haha. I guess it&#039;s the old thing though to do with the psychology of what we accept/reject. Basically, if an audience feels &#039;dumb&#039;, like the film maker is too clever for them, then they&#039;ll be turned off and decide they don&#039;t like it (which is why Euro-art films don&#039;t usually do well - you have to think!)
hence, for a mass appeal film, you have to make it &#039;dumb&#039; VERY simple and join all the dots plot-wise for people to &#039;get it&#039;, then they&#039;ll be happy and accept it (even see it multiple times!). James Cameron isn&#039;t dumb, ge&#039;s merely played the masses for every cent they have, well done James.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Benicio, that review was pretty hilarious. It&#8217;s amazing how condescending film makers can be&#8230;then again, if people lap it up, they&#8217;ll keep serving it up! Hey, I went along, so I can&#8217;t really talk, haha. I guess it&#8217;s the old thing though to do with the psychology of what we accept/reject. Basically, if an audience feels &#8216;dumb&#8217;, like the film maker is too clever for them, then they&#8217;ll be turned off and decide they don&#8217;t like it (which is why Euro-art films don&#8217;t usually do well &#8211; you have to think!)<br />
hence, for a mass appeal film, you have to make it &#8216;dumb&#8217; VERY simple and join all the dots plot-wise for people to &#8216;get it&#8217;, then they&#8217;ll be happy and accept it (even see it multiple times!). James Cameron isn&#8217;t dumb, ge&#8217;s merely played the masses for every cent they have, well done James.</p>
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		<title>By: Benicio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benicio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you completely Len.

A good tongue-in-cheek review can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.videosift.com/video/RedLetterMedia-s-Avatar-Review&quot; target=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; which covers a lot of what you bring up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely Len.</p>
<p>A good tongue-in-cheek review can be found <a href="http://www.videosift.com/video/RedLetterMedia-s-Avatar-Review" target="blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> which covers a lot of what you bring up.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1256</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Len, I wouldn&#039;t compare &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; with &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt;, which I&#039;ve found unwatchable.  I&#039;ve tried three times to watch it on DVD but found the dialogue puerile and had to abandon each time.  I think it&#039;s an intrinsic element of the blockbuster to be compromised in order to get a mass audience.  It&#039;s as true of &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; as it was of &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len, I wouldn&#8217;t compare <em>Avatar</em> with <em>Star Wars</em>, which I&#8217;ve found unwatchable.  I&#8217;ve tried three times to watch it on DVD but found the dialogue puerile and had to abandon each time.  I think it&#8217;s an intrinsic element of the blockbuster to be compromised in order to get a mass audience.  It&#8217;s as true of <em>Avatar</em> as it was of <em>Star Wars</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1255</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all. Here we have a HUGE film and once again the old &#039;technology versus story/script&#039; argument. Firstly, in my opinion, I wouldn&#039;t dare compare this film to the original &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; of 1977. That film had wit, humour, effects, uniqueness, action and more. &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; has technology and spectacle and does well at that, but I&#039;d hardly compare it to that previously mentioned classic. I mean, why can&#039;t we have both? (script and effects)..really, some of the dialogue in &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; was worse than bad, even for 14 year old Americans, with only the &#039;effect&#039;s&#039; (barely) making up for it. Truly, I heard some of those tired combat/military lines like 20 years ago, and they were bad then. Surely J.Cameron is better than that...
I didn&#039;t mind the &#039;white guy saves the day&#039; thing, and in truth I expected it from a movie like this for a mass audience, but for me, the key flaw was the inexcusable character development (rather, the massive lack of!) There was hardly a charcater in the whole film that wasn&#039;t one dimensional and bland. This wouldn&#039;t be so bad except for the fact that when they come to die, you feel absolutely nothing for them. i.e. the fierce Na&#039;vi warrior (sorry, for got his name)...perhaps only Neytiri was a fuller character, but she couldn&#039;t do it all alone. Sigourney Weaver and Giovanni Ribisi were embarassingly under-used as well. Cameron had almost 3 hours to intro and develop characters but he didn&#039;t. That&#039;s just my opinion. Overall, I did enjoy the film from a popcorn, spectacle kind of view and appreciated the immense amount of work that would have gone into making it, but as far as a rating....3 out of 5 for me. Sadly too, as an end note, it will win the Best Picture Oscar coming up soon, which it does not deserve. Then again, Hollywood never ignores films that make zillions at the box office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all. Here we have a HUGE film and once again the old &#8216;technology versus story/script&#8217; argument. Firstly, in my opinion, I wouldn&#8217;t dare compare this film to the original <em>Star Wars</em> of 1977. That film had wit, humour, effects, uniqueness, action and more. <em>Avatar</em> has technology and spectacle and does well at that, but I&#8217;d hardly compare it to that previously mentioned classic. I mean, why can&#8217;t we have both? (script and effects)..really, some of the dialogue in <em>Avatar</em> was worse than bad, even for 14 year old Americans, with only the &#8216;effect&#8217;s&#8217; (barely) making up for it. Truly, I heard some of those tired combat/military lines like 20 years ago, and they were bad then. Surely J.Cameron is better than that&#8230;<br />
I didn&#8217;t mind the &#8216;white guy saves the day&#8217; thing, and in truth I expected it from a movie like this for a mass audience, but for me, the key flaw was the inexcusable character development (rather, the massive lack of!) There was hardly a charcater in the whole film that wasn&#8217;t one dimensional and bland. This wouldn&#8217;t be so bad except for the fact that when they come to die, you feel absolutely nothing for them. i.e. the fierce Na&#8217;vi warrior (sorry, for got his name)&#8230;perhaps only Neytiri was a fuller character, but she couldn&#8217;t do it all alone. Sigourney Weaver and Giovanni Ribisi were embarassingly under-used as well. Cameron had almost 3 hours to intro and develop characters but he didn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s just my opinion. Overall, I did enjoy the film from a popcorn, spectacle kind of view and appreciated the immense amount of work that would have gone into making it, but as far as a rating&#8230;.3 out of 5 for me. Sadly too, as an end note, it will win the Best Picture Oscar coming up soon, which it does not deserve. Then again, Hollywood never ignores films that make zillions at the box office.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1219</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Timmi

Thanks for contributing to the conversation and I like where you are coming from. I think the plot is simple but by no means does that mean it is stupid. The plot follows a fairly classic hero&#039;s journey narrative and there is nothing wrong with that, especially when its primary function is to support the immersive spectacle of the film. 

Your comments about Sam Worthington’s acting are really interesting and I like the way you&#039;ve contrasted his withdrawn performance in his own body with his expressive performance in the avatar body. It reminds me of &lt;em&gt;RoboCop&lt;/em&gt; where Murphy as RoboCop becomes far more emotive than Murphy as the human policemen. I think both films are commenting on how artificial bodies liberate their inhabitants from the dehumanising corporate and militarised &#039;real&#039; worlds that they have come from.

Cheers
Thomas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Timmi</p>
<p>Thanks for contributing to the conversation and I like where you are coming from. I think the plot is simple but by no means does that mean it is stupid. The plot follows a fairly classic hero&#8217;s journey narrative and there is nothing wrong with that, especially when its primary function is to support the immersive spectacle of the film. </p>
<p>Your comments about Sam Worthington’s acting are really interesting and I like the way you&#8217;ve contrasted his withdrawn performance in his own body with his expressive performance in the avatar body. It reminds me of <em>RoboCop</em> where Murphy as RoboCop becomes far more emotive than Murphy as the human policemen. I think both films are commenting on how artificial bodies liberate their inhabitants from the dehumanising corporate and militarised &#8216;real&#8217; worlds that they have come from.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Timmi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will add that when critics mention actor Sam Worthington&#039;s starring role, they dismiss him as &quot;servicable&quot; or &quot;bland&quot;.  

This is so off-base!  When he&#039;s a human ex-Marine, he&#039;s suitably withdrawn into himself.  Clearly these critics haven&#039;t ever been around an on-duty Marine -- taciturn says it all.  As a paraplegic thrust into a foreign land as well as the unfamiliar world of Science, he would be keeping his head down to fit in and scope things out, which is how Worthington executes that facet of his persona.

When he&#039;s in avatar-mode, his face says it all, and it&#039;s quite effective since we audience members root for him most vigorously, even when he ends up fighting against most of the other Humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will add that when critics mention actor Sam Worthington&#8217;s starring role, they dismiss him as &#8220;servicable&#8221; or &#8220;bland&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This is so off-base!  When he&#8217;s a human ex-Marine, he&#8217;s suitably withdrawn into himself.  Clearly these critics haven&#8217;t ever been around an on-duty Marine &#8212; taciturn says it all.  As a paraplegic thrust into a foreign land as well as the unfamiliar world of Science, he would be keeping his head down to fit in and scope things out, which is how Worthington executes that facet of his persona.</p>
<p>When he&#8217;s in avatar-mode, his face says it all, and it&#8217;s quite effective since we audience members root for him most vigorously, even when he ends up fighting against most of the other Humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having read loads of reviews, I find most of them persnickity about tangential things, such as &quot;simplistic plot&quot;.  I tell people, one could imagine a plot based on, say, the Eternal Triangle, which is obviously a well-used trope and depends on the treatment.  I say that if one is Involved, themselves in a love Triangle, one certainly feels the drama of it, too much indeed.  As with &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; immersing the audience into the world and its denizens, one feels and lives its plot, which brings the drama home completely.

Nay-sayer critics remind me of the mid-60&#039;s when The Beatles grew and grew in impact on the culture: critics were sniping that their haircut was effeminate, that they couldn&#039;t read music, etc etc etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read loads of reviews, I find most of them persnickity about tangential things, such as &#8220;simplistic plot&#8221;.  I tell people, one could imagine a plot based on, say, the Eternal Triangle, which is obviously a well-used trope and depends on the treatment.  I say that if one is Involved, themselves in a love Triangle, one certainly feels the drama of it, too much indeed.  As with <em>Avatar</em> immersing the audience into the world and its denizens, one feels and lives its plot, which brings the drama home completely.</p>
<p>Nay-sayer critics remind me of the mid-60&#8242;s when The Beatles grew and grew in impact on the culture: critics were sniping that their haircut was effeminate, that they couldn&#8217;t read music, etc etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1145</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Limits of Control&lt;/i&gt; is one of my top 3 films of 2009, a film I today had trouble describing to someone when asked what it was about.  It&#039;s about a hitman sent on behalf of a group of artists to kill a politician, sort of.  

But really, for me it&#039;s all about the journey, not the destination and &lt;b&gt;how&lt;/b&gt; we get there.  The &#039;how&#039; is really the amazing visuals.  Of course, there&#039;s other elements that enhance the experience, but the overwhelming experience for me is the sublime nature of the visuals and how well they work in tandem with the other elements.

In essence, I&#039;m agreeing with you, Thomas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Limits of Control</i> is one of my top 3 films of 2009, a film I today had trouble describing to someone when asked what it was about.  It&#8217;s about a hitman sent on behalf of a group of artists to kill a politician, sort of.  </p>
<p>But really, for me it&#8217;s all about the journey, not the destination and <b>how</b> we get there.  The &#8216;how&#8217; is really the amazing visuals.  Of course, there&#8217;s other elements that enhance the experience, but the overwhelming experience for me is the sublime nature of the visuals and how well they work in tandem with the other elements.</p>
<p>In essence, I&#8217;m agreeing with you, Thomas.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.cinemaautopsy.com/2009/12/14/film-review-avatar-2009/#comment-1144</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comments Luke.

Many people don&#039;t understand that cinema is a visual art-form and even those that do are frequently biased against visual effects. It&#039;s a naive attitude that doesn&#039;t take into account cinema&#039;s origins as a visual attraction that was deeply immersed in trends surrounding modernity. Storytelling came later. I think you are absolutely right about people being impressed by the visuals but feeling the need to find more to say as if appreciating the truly outstanding visuals is not a worthy enough reason to celebrate such a film. 

Your comparison to &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; is apt as both &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; and  &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; are ground-breaking event films with a strong emphasis on immersive spectacle. They are also both based on archetypal characters and popularist mythology, making them so accessible and entertaining. Having now seen &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; a second time I was actually very impressed with how well structured the story was and how cleverly exposition and characterisation were integrated into the action. So, I actually think the screenplay is very strong for the type of film that this is. I reckon &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt; has a really strong chance of going down in film history the same way that &lt;em&gt;Star Wars&lt;/em&gt; has.

Cheers
Thomas]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Luke.</p>
<p>Many people don&#8217;t understand that cinema is a visual art-form and even those that do are frequently biased against visual effects. It&#8217;s a naive attitude that doesn&#8217;t take into account cinema&#8217;s origins as a visual attraction that was deeply immersed in trends surrounding modernity. Storytelling came later. I think you are absolutely right about people being impressed by the visuals but feeling the need to find more to say as if appreciating the truly outstanding visuals is not a worthy enough reason to celebrate such a film. </p>
<p>Your comparison to <em>Star Wars</em> is apt as both <em>Avatar</em> and  <em>Star Wars</em> are ground-breaking event films with a strong emphasis on immersive spectacle. They are also both based on archetypal characters and popularist mythology, making them so accessible and entertaining. Having now seen <em>Avatar</em> a second time I was actually very impressed with how well structured the story was and how cleverly exposition and characterisation were integrated into the action. So, I actually think the screenplay is very strong for the type of film that this is. I reckon <em>Avatar</em> has a really strong chance of going down in film history the same way that <em>Star Wars</em> has.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Thomas</p>
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